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Before Hockey Town became Hockey Town, the Detroit Red Wings were a struggling organization, trying to keep their heads above water, and trying to find a way to return to the glory days of Gordie Howe, Terry Sawchuk, Sid Abel, & Stanley Cups.  However, by 1985 those days were long gone.  The Red Wings of the late 70s & early 80s were a team looking for an identity,  fans in the stands, on-ice leadership, & wins.

In 1982, pizza mogul, Mike Ilitch bought the Detroit Red Wings from Bruce Norris (whose family had owned the team for 50 years) for $8 million (which seems like chump change today), and in due time turned the team into a top-rate contender.  Before all of that success, however, he was relegated to giving away automobiles at home Red Wing games, due to a lack of attendance.  The older fans were used to winning, and these new guys weren’t doing very much of that at all.  The team began to improve however, through the draft, and trades.  The cornerstone of that improvement was the drafting of Steve Yzerman who would go on to Captain the team to 3 Stanley Cups (97, 98, 02).  During the 1985-86 season however, Yzerman, due to injury, was only able to play in 51 games, notching just 14 goals.  Most fans consider this period the “Darkest before the Dawn” period in the annals of this historic franchise.  Along with Steve Yzerman, other notable draft picks in 1983 were Joe Kocur & Bob Probert.  The “Bruise Brothers” as they affectionately became known would provide the team muscle, for the next several years, as the Red Wings would continue to improve, bring some much needed entertainment, to the game, and put butts in the seats.  It was the 1985-86 Red Wings, who would begin the uphill climb, as they made their mark, commanded respect, and cut their teeth in the rough & tumble Norris Division of the 1980s.  While this season was the worst in history, in terms of points, and goals (you know, the stuff that truly matters), they were first in Penalty Minutes & Fighting Majors.  The game against the Toronto Maple Leafs, on January 13, 1986 was the pinnacle, or maybe the cavern, to which the team would need to reach before things could change.  If we weren’t going to beat you on the scoreboard, then we’d beat you in the alley.  This was a quote (paraphrased), by Conn Smythe, and used to perfection by the Broad Street Bullies, who took home back to back Stanley Cups in 1974 & 75.  The only difference of course was the Flyers won both ways – on the ice & in the alley.  The Wings weren’t beating anyone on the scoreboard, posting just 17 wins that year.  They were however, beating folks in the alley, lead by the young duo of Probert & Kocur aka The Bruise Brothers, and a strong supporting cast.  The Red Wings posted a whopping 2,393 penalty minutes (First in the NHL), & 176 Fighting Majors (Unofficially, according to DropTheGloves.com), also first in the NHL.

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Harry Neale was picked to lead the team of underachievers, however, he wasn’t able to do what previous coach’s had also failed to do, win, and lead the team out of the cellar, and back into respectability, or even notoriety.  At some point it must have been decided that notoriety would earn respectability.  That respect was earned by taking the fight to the opponents.  A coaching change was made about halfway through the season when Harry Neale was replaced by Brad Park.  The following year Jacques Demers was brought in to provide the leadership, and took the Red Wings to the Campbell Conference Finals in back to back seasons (87 & 88), losing only to the great Edmonton Oilers Dynasty.  After that, the Red Wings would continue to improve, & emerge as the top team in the Norris, only missing the playoffs 1 year in 20, and winning 3 Stanley Cups.

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Even Cartoonist Dave Elston @ElstonCartoons took a shot at them in an issue of The Hockey News.

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One of the most famous incidents this season was the infamous bench clearing brawl that took place on January 13, 1986, where it was described that Brad Park had sent the boys over the boards to engage the Maple Leafs in an all out brawl.  The Maple Leafs & Red Wings rivalry was as old as the league itself, and during this time had become as fierce a rivalry as their was.  Almost every game between the two was fight filled, with each team appearing to one-up the other in preparing more for an arms race, then a Norris Division title race.  Rather than us trying to describe what happened, here is about 8 minutes worth of news clips, because sadly (for us fight historians & fans), the game was untelevised, and recorded only via closed circuit television, & scout camera which provided most of the news clips.  This makes the Detroit-Toronto Brawl, one of the most sought after game videos of all time.  Let us know if you ever find it. We’re not holding our breath though.

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This now famous photo appeared in a Sports Illustrated article criticizing the violence & brawling of the time.  You see the Wings & Leafs engaged in an all out brawl, while Bob Probert (upper RH corner), appears to be putting a choke hold on Bob McGill.  The two would tangle in an epic battle that ended when Probert headbutted Bob McGill.  When asked why he did it, Mr. Probert was quoted as saying, “my arms got tired”. 

Various News Feeds & Clips:

The Box Score:

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In December of 1996, an old friend was visiting the Joe Louis Arena and ran roughshod over his former team, the Detroit Red Wings.  He fought Brendan Shanahan, then Darren McCarty, then high sticked Aaron Ward, & punched Jamie Pushor.  In the end the visitor had acquired 44 penalty minutes, which included a game misconduct & a match penalty. That man was Bob Probert, and it was this game that forced the hand of Scotty Bowman to pen a classified ad, “Enforcer Wanted”.  Ok, he didn’t really pen a classified ad, but the story as to how the Red Wings sought out, & re-signed the other half of the famed Bruise Brothers might be even stranger than that.


From Art Regner comes this tale of how Joey Kocur re-joined the Detroit Red Wings after being out of hockey for almost a year.

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DETROIT – Many of us have heard the story of how the Red Wings signed Joe Kocur out of a Detroit area beer league to play for the Wings back in the 1996-97 season.

It made for terrific newspaper copy and great conversation among Detroit’s sports community since Kocur, along with Bob Probert, were the famed Bruise Brothers. They doled out their brand of frontier justice on the ice during the late 1980s and early 1990s as members of the Wings.

But the story, which has become part of Red Wings folklore, isn’t as simple as, “Hey, Joey Kocur is playing in a beer league, Detroit should sign him.”

It is a story rooted in a common friendship that a hockey coach and a player shared with a couple of car dealers.

THE CAR DEALERS

Kocur was traded to the New York Rangers in March of 1991 and the reign of the Bruise Brothers came to end, but a lifelong bond between the two men was cemented.

During his first stint with the Wings, Kocur developed a close friendship with car dealer Bob Moran and his sales manager, Jerry Vought.

Vought had a strong hockey background and as a youth played with Mark and Marty Howe on the Detroit Jr. Red Wings. His youngest son was a regular at Kocur’s hockey camps at Lakeland Ice Arena.

When Scotty Bowman became head coach of the Wings, captain Steve Yzerman called Vought and asked him to set Bowman up with a ride.

Bob Moran’s dealership, Art Moran in Southfield, had long been a provider of vehicles to many Wings players and the man that handled all the Wings accounts was Vought.

Soon Bowman was a regular at the dealership and like Kocur, he became good friends with Moran and Vought.

“Bob Moran was a terrific hockey supporter,” Bowman said. “One day I was in there and Jerry (Vought), his sales manager, was a good friend of Joe Kocur. This was a great story. It was around Christmastime and Jerry says to me there’s a guy who used to play for the Wings who wants to make a comeback – Joe Kocur.

“I didn’t know much about Joey and I ran it through guys like Jimmy Devellano and Kenny Holland was there with us and they said, ‘Well, you know he’s a tough guy and he wants to start.’

“So Joey went down to the IHL (International Hockey League) for two weeks to see if he could get in shape enough to play and sure enough, Joey not only played, in the first series in ’97 (Cup Final) against Philly he scored a beautiful breakaway goal.

“They had home ice, they were the favorite team, the Flyers, and Joey became really a strong defensive player and obviously a real tough player.”

Moran and Vought remember having a conversation with Bowman about Kocur, but their memories differ slightly from his.

“Scotty had a habit of calling me first thing in the morning; he was renting a condo at Maple and Telegraph,” Moran said. “He would come in almost every morning (to Art Moran) and get a cup of coffee and B.S. a little bit before he headed down to the rink. I can’t remember exactly, but Scotty was talking about something on the team, I don’t know if it was cohesiveness, but it was something about the team.

“To the best of my recollection, Scotty would ask me about a lot of different players, you know what they say or what they’re like and I walked a fine line. I knew Steve (Yzerman) and a few of the other leaders on that team but you could tell something wasn’t right.”

Bowman was concerned about the Wings’ toughness. Though he was never a real advocate of fighting, Bowman knew the Wings needed to upgrade their intimidation factor because he didn’t want Detroit’s stars to be moving targets on the ice.

Vought also remembers Bowman’s daily morning visits to Art Moran. Many times Scotty would sit in Vought’s office while he was doing a radio interview for a local morning show.

“All I can tell you is he came in virtually every single day in my office and we’d shoot the (breeze) about anything, whatever it was,” Vought said. “Somehow or another Joey’s name just came up and one thing led to another.”

Regardless of how Kocur’s name originally came up, it was Vought’s eyewitness account of Kocur’s strength that sold Bowman on reaching out to the former Bruise Brother.

“I told him a story about one of our mechanics, Bruce Castano,” Vought said. “Joey had this pick-up truck that he had from us and they’re trying to bend something; the part was solid iron and Bruce put it in a vice grip thing and Joey literally bent it with his bare hand to get it to fit. They were going to heat it up and knock it, but Joey says, ‘Let me just try it.’

“So I’m telling Scotty this story and I say, ‘He’d be an asset.'”

Once Vought is done telling his tale, Bowman asks him to fill him in on Kocur.

“Basically I told him, ‘He’s a great guy, a great player. I went to my son’s training camp at Lakeland and he was in great shape,'” Vought said. “I told Scotty, ‘He’s still playing in a beer league, he’s in shape.’

“And then Scotty asked, ‘Do you have his phone number?’ and I gave it to him.”

Moran had known Kocur for a long time and sensed that Bowman truly didn’t have a feel for Kocur as a player.

“He didn’t know the respect the players had for him, what a solid guy he was,” Moran said. “I think we just pitched him, ‘What the hell do you have to lose?’

“At that time he was pretty much out of the game. Sign him to a 10-day contract or whatever deal they have and he ending up sticking and they won back-to-back Cups.”

THE UNEMPLOYED TOUGH GUY

Kocur was out of work.

The Rangers traded him traded to the Vancouver Canucks in March of 1996 and the Canucks decided not to re-sign him, so Kocur began the 1996-97 hockey season back in Michigan, playing hockey for a beer league team in Lakeland and also with the Wings alumni team.

Despite not getting even one invite to an NHL training camp over the summer and into the early fall, Kocur continued to work out and was putting on “good pounds” (muscle). He was completely focused on getting back into the NHL.

“No one knows this part of the story,” Kocur said. “I used to go down to a few of the games and one day I was parking in the players’ lot and Mr. Ilitch for some reason was parking in the players’ lot.

“I was wearing a golf shirt and he reached out his arm from the driver’s side window and grabbed my arm and said, ‘Wow, you’re still ready to play, we’ve got to get you back!’ I knew it was kind of tongue-in-cheek, but it was just nice that Mr. I said it.”

On October 26, 1996, the Blackhawks were in town and Kocur was there to catch up with his buddy Probert after the game. He was feeling good about bumping into Mr. Ilitch and his urge to wear the red and white again was forefront in his mind.

Detroit and Chicago played to a 2-2 tie. Kocur was eager to talk to Probert because he wanted to deliver a message to his fellow Bruise Brother.

“I watched the game and after the game I am waiting for Probie and I said, tongue-in-cheek, telling him, ‘Probie, you got to come in here next time and beat the (crap) out of these guys, you got to make sure they know they got to get tougher, help me get back into the league.’ I was saying it tongue-in-cheek,” Kocur said. “But the next time he came into Detroit, he speared Jamie Pushor, he fought (Brendan) Shanahan, he just ran rampant over the team. I don’t know if he did it because I asked him to or if it was just the mood he was in that day.

“The next day in the newspaper, all the writers are writing about how the Red Wings need to get tougher and it was at that point Scotty called my agent and said, ‘Tell Joe to get down in the minors and get in shape because we think we need to sign him back.'”

Whether Kocur was being “tongue-in-cheek” with Probert, he took it to heart.

Chicago’s next game at Joe Louis was December 12, 1996. In the October game where Kocur had planted the seed, Probert had four penalty minutes. That was not the case in the December meeting.

As Kocur described, Probert was a one-man wrecking crew, accumulating 44 penalty minutes in a 6-2 Red Wings victory on that mid-December evening. But more importantly, Probert had set the stage for Kocur’s return.

“So I ended up signing with a team called the San Antonio Dragons. It turned out they were on a two-week home stand right before Christmas,” Kocur said. “I drove down there and played five or six games there and I flew back for Christmas, I probably flew on the 21st or 22nd.

“I am sitting with my wife on the night of the 23rd, I think it was, and I get a phone call and my wife says, ‘it’s for you’ and I answer it, ‘Hey, Joe, it’s Scott Bowman.’ I say, ‘Mr. Bowman.’ He then says, ‘I want you to send someone to pick up all your stuff (in San Antonio), we’re signing you to a contract.'”

Without question it was one of the best Christmas presents Kocur has ever received. Not only was he a Red Wing again, he was no longer a San Antonio Dragon, an experience which Kocur found unique.

“There was a guy in between the second and third periods, he came into the locker room and he was fitting guys for cowboy boots,” Kocur recalled about his spell as a Dragon. “I remember one Saturday morning we had a really early practice and no coaches showed up, it was just players. It was quite different.”

Kocur officially signed his contract with the Red Wings on December 27, 1996. His first day back in the room was the night of December 26. While he was working out and watching the Wings play Washington, he witnessed Sergei Fedorov’s five-goal game.

Everything was falling into place, he knew his job and was ready to once again become Detroit’s enforcer – or so he thought.

“The key point to this whole thing was when I did sign,” Kocur said. “Scotty called me in to his office to meet, the first words out of his mouth were, ‘I don’t want you fighting.’ I am thinking to myself, ‘Isn’t that why you signed me?’

“His reasoning was if you fight, you’re in the penalty box and you’re not able to protect anybody. He said, ‘I want you always available. If they know if something goes on, at any point in time I can throw you over the boards.’

“So he actually really helped me in my career because my hand wasn’t great at the time, but I was able to concentrate more on playing hockey and then when he put me and Drapes (Kris Draper) and Malts (Kirk Maltby) together and gave us that opportunity, that was amazing.”

On January 3, 1997, Kocur made his Wings debut against the Dallas Stars in a game played at Joe Louis Arena.

“Scotty comes in and he announces the starting lineup,” Kocur said. “I think he announced Shanny (Brendan Shanahan), Stevie (Yzerman) and (Darren) McCarty, something like that, knowing if he announced my name I’d be too wound.

“So I am skating around the ice just before the national anthem and Budd Lynch is announcing the starting lineup and I was in the starting lineup.

“Sure enough, I start the game and I think (Todd) Harvey was the kid, I got an elbowing penalty the first shift of the game and the crowd went wild and all was good.”

Kocur’s second game back as a Wing was in Chicago. Kocur had a plan for a Bruise Brothers reunion on the ice, an altercation he viewed as destiny. That was the furthest thing from Probert’s mind.

“Three minutes into the game, I’m lined up against Probie and I’m whacking him, trying to fight him and we end up having a good fight,” Kocur said. “When the fight ended, I was laying on top of him, I looked down at him and said, ‘Thanks for getting me back in the league.’

“Years later we’re writing a book (The Bruise Brothers) and I’m telling this exact story and Probie looks over at me and says, “(Expletive), I wondered why you wanted to fight me?’ I say, ‘Probie, they brought me back to fight you.’ He never understood why I fought him that game.”

When Kocur returned to the Wings, he was already a Stanley Cup Champion, having won with the Rangers in 1994. He was a different player this time around; he sensed it and so did his Detroit teammates.

“It was awesome,” Kocur said about his return to Detroit. “Even a guy like Sergei who I only played part of the year with (’90-91 before the trade to the Rangers), he looked up to me as a, if you want to say it, maybe a slight father figure, a big brother.

“I had been away, I had some success, it just wasn’t the same person coming back. They saw me as a different person and I really loved it.”

As a Ranger he played with seven or eight Edmonton Oilers, all of whom had won the Stanley Cup. They taught the Rangers how to win. Players such as Mark Messier, Kevin Lowe, Glenn Anderson and Craig MacTavish had a profound impact on Kocur and his New York mates. He passed that knowledge onto the Wings.

“Mark Messier taught us in New York was everyone seems to be scared to say shutout or scared to talk about the Stanley Cup,” Kocur said. “And the first thing he says is, ‘We’re here to win a Stanley Cup and that’s it. Talk about it, embrace it, don’t be scared to talk about it.’

“We talked about it with the Red Wings. ‘Let’s go out and win the Stanley Cup, let’s not win the President’s Trophy, let’s not win the first round, let’s win the Stanley Cup. How do we get there? Yeah, we have to win all the way up, but let’s set an end goal right away.’

“The guys when I came back were so much better and so much more confident anyway. Everyone says that Colorado game really changed the tone and the best thing about that Colorado game was I wasn’t even playing in the game, so they got to do it all on their own without the new guy there, you know what I mean?”

Since they won the Stanley Cup in 1997, many fine players have left their mark on the franchise. Kocur’s influence on the Red Wings is understated.

From the Bruise Brothers to the Grind Line, he has always given everything he had for his team, his fans and his city. He embodies the spirit of Detroit, an adopted son of the Motor City and like many Detroiters, he’s a bit calculating, too.

“I used to go in and see Bob (Moran) a lot and we’d always be joking around like, “Bob, the next time Scotty’s in here tell him I need a job, I got to work,” Kocur said. “So I would say that to Jerry and Bob all the time, ‘Make sure you tell Scotty I am ready to play.'”

Bowman enjoys telling the story of how Kocur returned to the Red Wings; it is part of what made his time in Detroit so memorable.

“Imagine getting a player on the recommendation of a car dealer,” Bowman said. “I always used to talk to Bob Moran and thank him and Jerry for the fact if it wasn’t for those guys saying, ‘Look, he wants to come back.’ All those little pieces, I feel we were so lucky.”

Luck was a factor in Kocur’s return, a lot of cards had to fall into place, but the Red Wings were fortunate Kocur not only cut the cards, he shuffled the deck and dealt himself the perfect hand.


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Joe Kocur as a member of the San Antonio Dragons (IHL), takes on veteran enforcer Serge Roberge of the Quebec Rafaeles.


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Joey Kocur Pre-Game Interview 01.08.97


At a time when toughness was still in demand around the NHL, a fairly ‘team tough’ Red Wing squad (McCarty, Shanahan, Pushor, Lapointe, Ward, & Rouse), realized by head coach Scotty Bowman, knew they had to beef up just a little bit more to get through the grind of an 82 game schedule against teams like Chicago, St. Louis, Toronto, and make a deep run in the playoffs.  To do so, they needed a veteran presence who could play smart, not take dumb penalties, still instill fear, and play the enforcer role.  Of course the only guy who could fit that bill, under the circumstances outlined by Mr. Regner was one Joey Kocur.

Try Your Luck With Hordichuk

Posted: September 3, 2018 in Hockey, Sports

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This is a 2001-02 Chicago Wolves IHL game program with a feature on Darcy Hordichuk. I had a friend who had access to the team, so I had sent him a couple VHS tapes to give to Darcy. (If you're old enough to remember those), and he sent me this program in return.  I seriously doubt I had any effect on his fighting ability, but it was a nice to send a player of his caliber his fight footage, and a genuine gesture in return from one of our favorites. We've removed the name to protect the guilty. -#HFH


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Enforcer Calls Off The Offensive

Posted: August 29, 2018 in Sports

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Article here from the Spokesman-Review after Kerry Toporowski announced his retirement. We scanned this in high-res, & inserted so that hopefully you can pinch/zoom in & view/read the entire article.

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Most PIMs in 1 Game by a Player/Team

Posted: November 12, 2017 in Sports

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I was challenged by Reed Low.  Typically I would run for my life if that were a challenge of the glove dropping variety.  However, his challenge here was suited towards my strength of useless knowledge, and I just happened to have the free time to take him up on it.  As you can see from the tweet, the goal was to come up with the top 10 highest PIM games by an Individual Player.  I accepted the challenge and below you will find each franchise leader for most PIMs in a game, that number, and who the game was against.

The bulk of my research was done using NHL.com.

Also, teams that had moved are combined. So there is not a Quebec Nordiques & Colorado Avalanche leader, it’s one or the other for that particular franchise.  Ditto for Carolina/Hartford, etc.  To further explain, teams that were combined do list all franchise records, so if the distinction of Carolina/Hartford leader was a Hartford player, that’s who is listed, and he’s listed with the team he obtained the record with.  Same for the Atlanta Thrashers/Winnipeg Jets (current).

There might also be information about teams who folded, or, I may not know where they wound up like the Kansas City Scouts, Cleveland Barons, & Oakland/California Seals, etc. If they had combined, or moved, and are one of the current teams, then that information is included and current.  If not, we could not obtain an out of print media guide online at the time of this research to include that information.  If you do see something, or have information to add, please tweet us @HistoryOfFights

A couple other notes of interest:  In my research I found there was only 1 player who held the distinction with two different teams, and that some teams record holder isn’t who you might think it would be, and that the Flyers, Canucks, & Kings seemed to draw the worst out of the players.

With that, I give you the all-time Individual PIM record holders for a a single game by each NHL team, listed in order from highest to lowest.

Randy Holt (LA) 67 vs. Philadelphia Flyers, March 11, 1979

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

     Brad Smith (TOR) 57 vs. Detroit Red Wings, November 15, 1986

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reed Low (StL) 57 vs. Calgary Flames, February 28, 2002

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Frank Bathe (PHI) 55 vs. Los Angeles Kings, March 11, 1079

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Chris Chelios (CHI) 51 vs. Hartford Whalers, October 14, 1993

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Russ Anderson (PIT) 51 vs. Edmonton Oilers, January 19, 1980

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tie Domi (WPG) 49 vs. Vancouver Canucks, February 9, 1995

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scroll to: 8:20 for Domi

Darcy Tucker (TB) 49 vs. Florida Panthers December 27, 1999

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darcy fought 3 times this game, here is his scrap with Todd Simpson.

Gino Odjick (VAN) 47 vs. Los Angeles Kings, November 12, 1992

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jim Cummins (COL) 47 vs. Los Angeles Kings, December 20, 2003

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cummins fought Kip Brennan 3 times this game, here is their 3rd fight.

Keith Crowder (BOS) 43 vs. Minnesota North Stars, February 26, 1981

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dave Semenko (EDM) 42 vs. Vancouver Canucks, March 13, 1982

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Semenko fought Delorme (seen here), then Tiger Williams and was ejected for                    headbutting. We couldn’t find the video of that.

Joey Kocur (DET) 42 vs. St. Louis Blues, November 2, 1985

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kocur had fought twice prior to his exchange with Ramage at the end of the 2nd.

Mick Vukota (NYI) 42 vs. New Jersey Devils, December 12, 1989

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mick fought twice, Ken Daneyko & then Jamie Huscroft. Seems harmless enough, we’re    not sure what the additional PIMs were for.

John McLean (NJ) 42 vs. New York Islanders, December 11, 1990

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ed Kastelic (HAR/CAR) 42 vs. Minnesota North Stars, November 10, 1990

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Nick Kypreos (HAR/CAR) 42 vs. Buffalo Sabres, December 11, 1992

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neil Sheehy (CAL) 41 vs. Vancouver Canucks, March 21, 1986

*No Video As Of Today*

Jody Shelley (SJ) 41 vs. Dallas Stars, April 6, 2008

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reg Fleming (BUF) 39 vs. Pittsburgh Penguins, October 18, 1970

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Chris Nilan (MTL) 39 vs. Washington Capitals, February 14, 1981

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scroll to 1:08 for Nilan’s infraction.

Steve Payne (MNS) 39 vs. Boston Bruins, February 26, 1981

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Stu Bickel (MNW) 39 vs. Dallas Stars, January 3, 2015

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Todd Ewen (ANA) 37 vs. San Jose Sharks, February 25, 1996

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ewen fought 3 times this game.

Joey Tetarenko (FLA) 37 vs. Atlanta Thrashers, January 19, 2002

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tetarenko fought 3 times this game.

Chris Simon (NYR) 36 vs. Toronto Maple Leafs, December 2, 2003

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jeremy Stevenson (NAS) 35 vs. Chicago Blackhawks, October 25, 2005

 

 

 

 

 

Jason Spezza (OTT) 35 vs. Philadelphia Flyers, March 5, 2004

 

 

 

How Spezza ended up with all the PIMs from this game is beyond me.

Randy Holt (WAS) 34 vs. Philadelphia Flyers, March 27, 1982

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Francis Lessard (ATL/WPG) 32 vs. Buffalo Sabres, March 17, 2004

 

 

Duvie Westcott (CLB) 31 vs. St. Louis Blues, April 13, 2006

 

Quite possibly the worst entry to our list as Westcott gets his PIMs from the newer league rules: instigator, visor, etc. Not to mention he basically gets TKO’d for his troubles. Dud of the list.  Side Note: Jody Shelley has the Columbus rookie record with 25 pims.

*Las Vegas Golden Knights Incomplete


 

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Dan Maloney Vs Brian Glennie 11.05.75

Posted: November 5, 2017 in Sports

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The following information is being provided to give background on, and is a compilation of various reports on the incident involving The Detroit Red Wings, Dan Maloney and Toronto’s Brian Glennie.  Research shows there may be a brief clip of this incident, although we couldn’t find one, we do know that Maloney was not given a game or match penalty, and actually remained in the game. Tiger Williams would hold Maloney accountable a short time later apparently engaging in a pretty good slug fest.


Eye Witness Account:

In the second period of this game, Dan Maloney blind-sided Brian Glennie behind the play, then proceeded to repeatedly lift Glennie’s head and slam it to the ice. Tiger Williams had been on the ice at the time, but had been skating into the Wing zone with his back to Maloney and Glennie. Soon after Maloney’s vicious and unprovoked attack on Glennie, Williams roughed up defenceman Terry Harper for no apparent reason. Williams joined Maloney in the penalty box. Somebody must have filled in the Tiger on the Glennie incident, because he had a long exchange with Maloney.

The next time the two players were on the ice together, they tried to get at each other, but the linesmen broke them up. Back to the penalty box they went, where the sour dialogue started all over again. As their respective two minute penalties ended, Williams hurried to the front of the visitor’s penalty box. Maloney was waiting for him and a classic battle got underway. Williams went with straight rights, while Maloney replied with right uppercuts during this lengthy bout. Williams showed more hand speed , threw more punches, and appeared to land more than his opponent.


From The New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/1975/11/07/archives/assault-charged-in-nhl-wings-maloney-faces-hockey-assault-charge.html

TORONTO, Nov. 6 (AP)—Dan Maloney of the National Hockey League’s Detroit Red Whigs was charged with assault today following a fight with Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs last night during a game at the Maple Leaf Gardens.

Frank Callaghan, Deputy Attorney General of Ontario, said Maloney was to appear in court here Dec. 4 on the charge of assault occasioning bodily harm. The N.H.L. said it planned no action against Maloney.

Callaghan said Maloney had not been served with a warrant because he was out of Ontario’s jurisdiction. The Red Wings were in Montreal, where they play the Canadiens Saturday night. The team does not return to Toronto until Jan. 3.

The action came after Attorney General Roy McMurtry had called for an investigation into the fight.

Maloney was not available for comment, but the Red Wings’ coach, Doug Barkley, called the charge “ridiculous.”

“I don’t see why he [McMurtry] should step in and run professional sports,” Barkley said in a telephone interview from Montreal. “Why is he picking on hockey? The N.H.L. is the best‐run sport of any major sport. The league has done an excellent job running itself.”

Callaghan said he would not comment further on the matter because the case was before the courts.

This was the third time an N.H.L. player had been charged by local authorities with a crime resulting from action on the ice.

Dave Forbes of the Boston Bruins was charged with aggravated assault last Jan. 17, following a stick‐swinging incident with Henry Boucha of the North Stars in Minnesota. The nine‐day trial ended in a hung „jury on July 18 and the charges were dropped Aug. 11.

In 1970, the late Wayne Maki, then with St. Louis, and Ted Green, then with Boston, were acquitted of asssault charges following their fight during an exhibition game Sept. 20, 1969, in Ottawa. Green suffered a ractured skull that almost endede his career. Maki was not hurt in the fight. He died of a brain tumor four years later.

In the second period of last night’s game, won by Toronto, 7‐3, Glennie was attacked after he had hit Brian Hextall of Detroit with what apreared to be a clean check near the Toronto blue line.

Maloney pounced on Glennie from behind, dropped him with a right‐hand punch, then hit him several more times and repeatedly lifted and dropped Gleenie, causing him to strike the ice.

Glennie had to be helped from the ice and was taken to a hospital for observation. He remained there today, suffering from a mild concussion. Toronto’s coach, Red

Kelly, said Glennie was stunned after the fight and told the coach he didn’t remember anything about it.

Maloney said he went after Glennie because he felt the Toronto defenseman had hit Hextall “extra hard.” He also said he wasn’t trying to hurt Glennie, but that Glennie kept falling and he kept trying to pick him up.

The Red Wings’ left wing was handed a five‐minute major penalty and an automatic $100 fine. The game, which had been calm until the fight, wound up with several more brawls and remilted” in 107 penalty minutes being Called.

The league president, Clarence Campbell, said in Montreal that. “The incident was dealt with by the officials on the ice and, as far as I am concerned,.the action taken on the ice by the officials during the game does not call for any supplementary action on my part.

“We plan no action or legal moves. That’s between him and his club,” Campbell said of Maloney. Campbell refused to comment on the court action.


 From Sports Illustrated:

November 17, 1975 by Ray Kennedy.

Remember Dave Forbes? You know, the Boston hockey player who was tried in a criminal court this summer for assaulting an opponent, the man who touched off the outcry for an end to the “senseless violence” committed in the name of sport.

Though some people may have been so rash as to interpret Forbes’ trial as a stern and ominous warning, a National Hockey League spokesman dismissed it as “an unusual aberration that does not escalate any fears we may have of a recurrence.” In other words, it was almost unthinkable that a professional hockey player would ever again be hauled before a judge for an act of violence that occurred during the course of a game.

If so, then what exactly was that little set-to in Toronto last week when the Detroit Red Wings’ Dan Maloney felled the Maple Leafs’ Brian Glennie with a flying punch from the side and then bounced his head on the ice two times for good measure? A usual aberration?

Ontario Attorney General Roy McMurtry did not think so. He has charged Maloney with “assault causing bodily harm” and ordered the left wing to appear in a Toronto criminal court on Dec. 4. It should be an interesting hearing. Maloney, whose attack put Glennie in the hospital overnight with a mild concussion, holds that he was merely administering just retribution for the upending body check that Glennie had put on Red Wing Center Bryan Hextall moments earlier. In Maloney’s judgment-but evidently not the referee’s, as no penalty was indicated-the check was “too hard.”

The fact that Maloney was assessed a five-minute major penalty and a $50 fine seemed censure enough to Red Wings Coach Doug Barkley. “Why is McMurtry picking on hockey?” he protested. “The NHL is the best-run league of any major sport. The league has done an excellent job running itself.” Ever the good sport, Maloney says that he was just trying to help Glennie get up.

Given the benefit of the doubt, that the movers and shakers of hockey had somehow forgotten the warning of the Dave Forbes trial, there is no way they could have ignored the alarm bells that have been sounded in recent weeks. Just six games into the new season Bobby Hull, the Winnipeg Jets’ left wing, sat out a game as a protest against the “brutality” and malicious attacks on his teammates. “If something isn’t done soon,” declared Hull, the World Hockey Association’s alltime leading goal scorer, “it will ruin the game for all of us. I’ve never seen so much vicious stuff going on.”

Neither had Attorney General McMurtry. Only one week before the Maloney incident he ordered provincial attorneys and police to rigorously enforce the law against “clear breaches of the criminal code” on the ice. A follow-up to a scathing indictment of pro hockey in an investigative report ordered by the Ontario legislature, the crackdown was partly intended to cross-check the acts of violence that McMurtry says “are obviously a very bad example for young kids who ape the professionals.”

The reaction of Harold Ballard, president of the Toronto Maple Leafs, is typical of how gravely concerned the NHL was about the latest flurry of public outrage. Of McMurtry’s announced plan to have law-enforcement officers patrol games in Maple Leaf Gardens (two police sergeants, acting as McMurtry’s observers, did in fact witness and file a report on the Maloney incident), Ballard had said, “If they pay for a ticket when they come in I don’t care how many people they bring.”

At a time when hockey is in dire need of some good oldfangled straight talk, Ballard stands ready to provide it. In fact, it is ironic that shortly before one of his own players was cut down last week, he more than any other NHL overseer strove to candidly and fearlessly tell it like it will be this season. In announcing last month that he was placing seven of his players on the trading block, Ballard cut right through to the core of things. “We’ve got to mold a lineup that can take on a bunch of goons,” he said. “I’m looking for guys you toss raw meat to and they will go wild.”


Covering the Leafs 7-3 triumph over Detroit for the Toronto Star, Rick Matsumoto wrote:

Maloney went after [Brian] Glennie when the Leaf defenseman hit Red Wing forward Bryan Hextall with a crunching but clean hip-check at the Leaf blue-line. As play turned toward the Detroit end, Maloney appeared to hit the unsuspecting Glennie on the side of the head. Glennie sagged to the ice with Maloney on top of him – flailing away with his fists. Maloney then got to his feet and repeatedly pulled the Leaf player off the ice by the back of his sweater and then pushed him back down. Contacted later the same night, McMurtry said he would look at a tape of the incident and, “if charges are warranted, we will certainly lay them.”

Detroit’s Dan Maloney punches a prone Brian Glennie of Toronto during the 2nd period of a game between the Red Wings and Maple Leafs. Nov. 7, 1975.


Less than a week after the incident with Glennie, Maloney crossed from Detroit into Windsor, Ont. and was handed a summons to appear in court, Dec. 1, on a charge of assault causing bodily harm.

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Dan Maloney of Detroit Red Wings (left) leaves old city hall courthouse with Alex Delvecchio; team’s general manager. Maloney was charged with assaulting Maple Leaf defenceman Brian Glennie in game at Maple Leaf Gardens Nov. 5.


Maloney Acquitted

http://www.nytimes.com/1976/07/01/archives/maloney-of-wings-acquitted-maloney-of-wings-acquitted.html

TORONTO, June 30 (UPI)—Dan Maloney, the Detroit Red Wings’ forward, was acquitted today of an assault charge stemming from a National Hockey League brawl here last year. He was the third player in N.H.L. history to face charges for an on‐the ice fight and the third to be cleared.

The jury of eight women and four men announced their verdict after nearly nine hours of deliberations. Asked by the court clerk to face the defendant and pronounce verdict, the jury foreman Raymond Bower, said, “not guilty.”

The prosecution asked that the jury be polled and they all said they agreed with the verdict.

Maloney appeared relieved when the verdict was announced and noticeably sagged in the defendant’s box.

Maloney is known as one of the toughest players in the N.H.L. Detroit acquired him when their former offensive star, Marcel Dionne, played out his option and signed with Los Angeles.

“I feel very relieved. . . very, very relieved,” said Maloney. “I really appreciate the jury’s decision and I just want to get back to hockey.”

Maloney, a tough left wing known for his prowess in the corners, said he would continue “playing hockey the way I have always played it and the way I play it best. I’m just very glad to have this over with.”

The prosecution presented testimony from witnesses to the incident at Maple Leaf Gardens last Nov. 5, who said Maloney punched the Leafs’ Brian Glennie from behind, knocked him to the ice, hit him again, and twice picked him up and dropped him back on the ice.

The prosecution also put in the record medical testimony that Glennic sustained a mild concussion after the incident and was hospitalized overnight.

The defense’s case, which put nine witnesses on the stand, hinged on the “consent” of all hockey players to subject themselves to possible assault and injury whenever they step on the ice.

The defense attorney, George Finlayson, also asked the jury not to render a verdict based on an opinion of hockey violence or the N.H.L.’s ability to deal with it, but rather on the evidence against Maloney.

Bower read a statement from the panel stating “while our verdict was based on the evidence and the law, we are unanimous in the feeling that these actions [in hockey] are not condoned by us.

“We hope these actions do not continue in the future.”

The prosecutor, Robert McGee, said he would appeal.

MaloneyCleared

CANADA – JUNE 30: I’m relieved it’s over; said Detroit hockey player Dan Maloney as he left the courthouse with pregnant wife; Susanne; after a jury of eight women; four men cleared him of assault in hockey game. The jury condemned violence. (Photo by Colin McConnell/Toronto Star via Getty Images)

 

The Prodigal Son Returns 10.10.76

Posted: October 10, 2017 in Sports

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Dave Schultz was a fan favorite in Philadelphia for five seasons, winning two Stanley Cups, and helping the city of Brotherly Love shake that moniker by instilling fear & intimidation to all those who dare look at the Broad Street Bullies cross eyed. In the most sincere definition of the phrase, coined by Coach Reg Dunlop from the iconic film Slapshot, he was a “folk hero”, and defended the city of Philadelphia nightly.  He had a fan club, he appeared on Sports Illustrated’s cover.  Not being from Philadelphia, and only six at the time, I’d wager Dave Schultz was probably more popular then any other athlete at the time, and possibly since, in Philadelphia.  But hockey is a funny game, and heroes can quickly become villains, depending on the current crest of their sweater.

Dave Schultz was traded to the Los Angeles Kings for a couple of draft picks, on September 29th, 1976, just prior to the beginning of the NHL season.  On October 10th, 1976 the Prodigal Son returned home.

The game was low scoring, in fact Bernie Parent led the Flyers to a 1-0 shutout. It was the 39th career shutout for Parent. Ross Lonsberry scored the only goal at 9:20 of the second period.  Pretty straight forward until you unravel the box score revealing the benches had cleared twice, and Dave Schultz was on the losing end of a tilt with the Flyers newest prodigal son, Paul Holmgren (at least according to most witnesses & the short video we found).  Losing to Holmgren, then facing boos & jeers from the same crowd who once hailed him as a King (pun intended), brought an end to the Schultz Army and all those members who had now turned their back on the Flyers most famous pugilist & purveyor of justice.

We have copied & pasted news stories & eye witness accounts. Sadly the only video of this missing gem is the Schultz-Holmgren scrap.

Summary Of Events

1 0:35   Rough Kozak-Kelly
2 2:45   Fight Hutchison-Kelly
3 10:20   Fight Wilson-McIlhargey
4 16:56   Bench-Clearing Brawl
5 16:56   Fight Hutchison-McIlhargey
6 16:56   Fight Schultz-Holmgren
7 35:59   Fight Komadoski-Paddock
8 35:59   Bench-Clearing Brawl
9 35:59   Fight Walker-Kelly

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“Bert Wilson and Jack McIlhargey went at it in one of the top slugfests of all time. The punches were even, but Wilson’s did more damage, cutting McIlhargey.”


“I heard that Bert Wilson got the better of McIlhargey in one of the brawls in that game. I would pay some serious money for a copy of that game on dvd.” -Kim Clackson


“Finally, the game exploded. After a Mel Bridgman check on Dave Hutchison, Hutchison high-sticked Bridgman in the face. Moose Dupont led the Flyers off the bench and Jack McIlhargy sailed into Hutchison with a series of punches. A huge pile-up ensued, with Schultz in the middle. Dupont tried to get at Schultz. When his path was blocked, he head-butted Bob Murdoch out. Schultz wanted Paul Holmgren, the man he felt had taken away his job. Holmgren was wearing a face shield due to a serious eye injury suffered in a minor-league fight the previous season. Schultz goaded him, calling him a one-eyed bastard, and told him to take off his shield. Holmgren obliged, and they squared off in the middle of the pack. When it was over, Holmgren had trounced the Hammer by 11 punches to one! As Schultz departed with his game misconduct, the cheers had turned to jeers – Schultz had become the enemy. The Schultz story had ended there, but the game did not. At 15:59 of the second period, John Paddock and Neil Komadodski started pounding each other. While this was going on, Russ Walker of the Kings, who had come over from Cleveland Crusaders of the WHA, challenged the Flyers bench. Bob Kelly hopped over and the benches cleared again. Other than the beating Kelly handed Walker, this bench-clearing was uneventful.” -by Mark Topaz


Holmgren suffered a scratched cornea in the eye while playing for Richmond late in 1975-76 season and was rushed to surgery in a Boston hospital. He had an allergic reaction to the anesthetic, which nearly cost him his life.
Then he wore the face mask during the 1976-77 season to protect his eye after having undergone surgery to repair the scratched cornea.


An excerpt from Schultz’ book, The Hammer

“I spotted Holmgren. He goes 6’3″, 215. I was 6’1”, 190. He knew I wanted him. ‘Let’s go, you sonofabitch,’ I yelled.

“It wasn’t one of my smartest moves. Holmgren was wearing a mask to protect an injured eye, plus a helmet, so there was no way I could get through to him with my punches. He got me with a flurry of rights and then threw me down on the ice. As Holmgren pummeled me around the right eye and nose, the Spectrum went crazy with cheers. In Philadelphia, I was now a bum. Before the first period had ended I had been thrown out of another hockey game.”


Holmgren suffered a scratched cornea in the eye while playing for Richmond late in 1975-76 season and was rushed to surgery in a Boston hospital. He had an allergic reaction to the anesthetic, which nearly cost him his life. Then he wore the face mask during the 1976-77 season to protect his eye after having undergone surgery to repair the scratched cornea.

 


 

The Fight:

 

DomiVsMcraeTo this day it still kind of surprises me to see the kinds of lineups teams would throw out there on a nightly basis for a regular season NHL game.  With the fights & tomfoolery almost completely eliminated from today’s game, it’s fun to look back at a game like this one where two of the toughest organizations in the league at the time, let alone in the division, get together for a meaningless NHL game during the regular season.  One can only imagine it was meaningless as neither team contended for much during the 1989-90 season, and by March i’m pretty sure both were somewhere near playoff elimination (Factcheck: Toronto did make the playoffs finishing 3rd in the division, then losing in the first round).

The biggest news here is that this was Tie Domi’s first NHL game.  Toronto felt it was going to be a rough home & home with Detroit, and even though they had plenty of NHL caliber muscle on the current roster, they still figured they better call Tie up for the series.

The 1989-90 Red Wings ushered in several players to fill the toughness void left by the personal problems of Bob Probert.  But the rosters in this 03/02/90 game was even over the top for this hockey fight fan.  Ok, they weren’t, but still eyebrow raising? Yeah, that’s what it was.  This was NHL hockey in the late 80s, early 90s.  The best part, other than this kind of game stretching to easily 3 to 3 1/2 hours in them days, was after the “dust” had cleared, it was Steve Yzerman scoring twice, including the game winning goal in OT, to give Detroit the 3-2 win,  250+ PIMs were handed out by referee Ron Hogarth in this one. Oh, and don’t miss another Jacques Demers meltdown, this time it’s Doug Carpenter of the Leafs to feel the fiery Jacques wrath.  As it’s known, the visiting team would submit their lineups first. Doug was looking for some action, and although he threw a tantrum, Jacques was more than willing to ‘line match’.

Lineups for the evening (and I probably missed 1 or 2 players) included the more than capable:

Toronto:  Kordic, Curran, Domi, Gill, Richardson, Ramage, Pearson, Clark, Franschetti,

Detroit:  Kocur, McClelland, McKay, McRae, Norwood, Houda, Gallant, Shank

NOBODY can convince me that professional hockey is better today.  This was a perfect example, albeit maybe slightly over the top, of a game where you had better show up ready to go.  You better have the intestinal fortitude and willingness to walk into a divisional foes barn and do battle all night long.   10 players from each side were capable of handling themselves.  Today, you’re lucky if each team has 1.  As I’ve heard before: Sometimes the fighters are going to fight & the scorers are going to score.  All of the “Chuck” Norris match-ups & rivalries were very good during this time, but Detroit vs Toronto was something else, and this game simply proved that, giving us a nice glimpse into the way the game was played during this time.

After the dust had settled, it was the skilled guy Steve Yzerman scoring the GWG in OT (his 2nd of the game).

My favorite comment/line is by Detroit color guy Mickey Redmond (we can only assume it was due to high PIMs & multiple fights in this game) when after a scuffle in overtime, he delcared: “There sure are alot of ugly people here tonight.” Or, maybe it was just a generalization of the JLA faithful in attendance.

Anyway, thanks to our friend @arktoshorse (George) for the upload of all these hits, fights, & scuffles from this game.  Here are the 20 videos, we made them into one nice playlist for you.  George runs em’ long, to make sure you get the big pictures of each incident, what happened before during & after.  He also includes many commercials from the time frame as well.  So, if you have about 45 minutes to an hour to kill, check it out.  Not everything, or all the fights rather would we rate a “10”, but the chance for something to happen every line change certainly kept you glued to the set in them days.  The best is probably the Kordic-McKay scrap as you can imagine, and of course Carpenter & Demers spirited conversation.

What happened the next game? The back end of the home and home, at Maple Leaf Gardens you ask?  Only 2 fights.  Gallant-Ramage & McRae-Domi.

@HistoryOfFights

 

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Stanley Cup Semi-Finals Game 2

From United Press International

MONTREAL – Rookie John Kordic’s biggest fear about going head-to-head with the goons of the NHL is displeasing his parents.

The Montreal Canadiens defenseman, who has yet to lose a hockey fight, is basically a pacifist.

“It’s nothing I love doing,” the 6-foot, 190-pound Kordic said after pummeling physical New York Ranger Mike McPhee during the Stanley Cup semifinal. “I like to hit and take the body but I don’t like fighting.

“I know what people are thinking right now; that I’m just a goon. I heard (Hockey Night in Canada commentator) Dick Irvin say, ‘Well, that’s why he’s out there.’ That doesn’t make me feel good.

“I’m sure my parents heard that on TV and they’ll be upset, too. I’m not worried so much about myself, more about my parents. I just wish they’d understand that this is how I’m getting my chance.

“They’re European, and hockey is new to them.”

Kordic’s parents, Ivan and Regina, came from Yugoslavia to settle in Edmonton, Alberta, and John’s father took him to see the Canada Cup competition in 1972.

“He liked it,” Kordic said. “I was nine, so I started late. He just liked what he saw.”

What Kordic didn’t see, in fast-flowing international competition, was fighting.

“I never fought until junior,” Kordic said. “I was fat, up to Grade 4, I didn’t know any English. They called me ‘DP,’ for Deported Person. I always got beat up, I was always scared.”

What scares Kordic now is that the Canadiens won’t give the hockey player a chance to surpass the fighter.

“I know why I’m here,” he said. “I just turned 21, and I’ll pay my dues, but I wouldn’t mind playing a little more. I know it’s not going to happen this year, they’re going with the guys who got them here.”

The problem for Kordic–not to mention his victims–is that his punches are what got him here. Kordic’s flying fists and immovable body have a way of making intimidators think twice about slashing Montreal’s fleet center Guy Carbonneau or running at goalie Patrick Roy a second time.

Slashing Carbonneau’s face was McPhee’s ticket to an introduction to Kordic. Immediately after Carbonneau left the ice for stitches to his gored chin, Montreal coach Jean Perron sent Kordic on the ice.

“He just told me to go out there,” Kordic said. “He didn’t tell me anything but I don’t need to be led to water.

“I gave McPhee a shove and said, ‘Keep your stick down.’ He gave me a slash and said ‘Let’s go.’ Later, when I was in the penalty box, he came over to me again and told me we weren’t finished yet and called me a few four-letter words and I thought ‘Geez, I don’t know why he’d want to go on with it,”‘ Kordic said, amazement showing in his eyes. “I thought, ‘Either this guy is very intense or he’s forgetting what’s going on.’

“I didn’t want to have to remind him again. I didn’t want to have to do it the first time but . . . he slashed Carbo and Carbo’s one of our main players. It wasn’t fun but maybe it got our guys a little excited.”

Absolutely. Immediately after Kordic made McPhee look like a punching bag, the Canadiens scored again and ended up with a four-goal second period, capped by Carbonneau’s second goal, short-handed and unassisted.

“I was just scared I broke my jaw,” Carbonneau said. “I’m not happy John did it, but it’s good to know people care for you.”

Apparently that’s something Kordic hears often from his teammates.

“Guys on this team come up to me all the time and say, ‘What you do–well, I’d never be able to do your job.’ They appreciate what I do though and make me feel wanted.

“I’ve talked to Chris Nilan (Montreal’s other enforcer, a veteran who plays a regular shift on Carbonneau’s checking line). I was sitting down on the bench once and I was discouraged, not playing. I asked him: ‘Chris, did you start out this way?’ He’d tell me he used to just sit on the bench never knowing when he was going to play. He told me to keep my head up. He’s probably not aware of it, but he really keeps my spirits up because no one else in the world would know better how I feel.”

Nilan knows, not only because he’s had Montreal’s enforcer role for so long, but also because he’s had the same view of it; the same pressure from parents who drove to minor league games only to see him be thrown out for fighting.

“I understand it from the viewpoint that that’s how I came into the league,” Nilan said, “how I got my chance to play hockey. I know it’s what got me here and you shouldn’t forget what brought your game out. I fight but I don’t like it. Some guys in this league like it, I don’t. I know anybody looking at my penalty minutes (274 season, 1699 career) would have a hard time believing that, but I don’t like to fight. I do it because it’s part of my job.

“I like John. I don’t think it’s an enviable position for anybody. When you have to do it, sometimes it’s lonely. He definitely has the tools to develop into a much better hockey player. He’s big and strong, he can shoot the puck, he can skate OK, he’s a natural defenseman,” the right winger added. “If he works hard on all those things, he can improve. But the way I look at it, he can get that chance by the physical part of his game; he has to be there. It’s not fun, but if a guy like John wants to make it…”

Kordic badly wants to make it as a defenseman, and is willing to go Nilan’s fighter turned complete player route, but not remain solely an enforcer.

“If I have to keep doing this, I’ll probably quit, go back to school,” Kordic said. “I wouldn’t mind being a police officer or a fireman, it’s something different every day.”

That, Nilan says, Kordic will have to decide soon in order to endure the wait and work required to play a regular role for the Canadiens.

“His parents are against it,” Nilan said. “But he’s a big boy, and he’s got to be able to say, ‘What do I want to do?’ I tell him you’ve got to put things in perspective and say, ‘Do I want to be a hockey player, do I want to be in the league for 10 years, or do I want to start another career?’ ”

Kordic’s father had wanted John to go to University of Alberta at Edmonton, like his sister Tony, who played for Canada’s 1984 Olympic women’s basketball team.

Instead, Kordic went to the Portland (Ore.) Winter Hawks of the junior Western Hockey League, where the Canadiens discovered him–after he discovered his fists.

“When I got in junior, I got in a fight and he was supposed to be a really tough guy,” Kordic said of Troy Loney, now with the Pittsburgh Penguins. “I never thought I was fighting out of fear. But I got a bad temper, eh? So I beat him. I didn’t find him so tough. I won a few fights after that, and Montreal drafted me because I was tough. But by my second year, I didn’t have to fight as much because I got my respect, so I had a chance to play my game and work on my hockey.”

When Kordic did return to Edmonton, it was not to attend the University, but as a Montreal Canadien facing the mighty Edmonton Oilers–and his first NHL fight.

“Against Kevin McClelland, on my first pro shift,” Kordic said, smiling. “I’m from Edmonton, I’ve seen him fight a lot of times. My friends work for the Oilers, one’s a stick boy. They told Kevin McClelland, ‘Kordic’s coming to town and he’s going to fight you,’ and they tell me, ‘Kevin McClelland wants to fight you,’ so the fight was set before the game, it was a pre-set fight but we didn’t know it. They were even building it up on the radio in Edmonton.

“My dad liked it–that one time he did–my sister and brother were cheering…”

Kordic smiles when he tells the story. He has a great smile that reaches his eyes and comes often but for no other fighting story.

Yet, if he doesn’t enjoy the fighting, he clearly likes his superiority at it.

“If I’m going to fight, I want to win,” Kordic said, giving the impression that physical pain is not the issue. “Have I ever lost? No, I never had a busted nose or anything like that. I’ve heard people say here and there a fight that I was in was pretty even. Every lopsided fight I’ve ever been in, though, I’ve totally won. I can’t say I’ve ever been beat like that or heard anybody say I was. If you find one, I’d like to talk to him.”

Not many NHL players should be rushing.

Code? We Don’t Need No Stinking Code!  I’m honestly not sure how I feel about any of what’s going on in this dust up between Tampa Bay and Philadelphia, more so Daniel Lacroix of Philadelphia, and Andrei Nazarov & Darcy Tucker of Tampa Bay.  So much goodness, but so much of what’s going on could be interpreted as wrong on many levels in terms of “the fighters code”, if such a thing ever existed.  We do know when stuff spills into the parking lot and becomes personal outside the rink, that something probably didn’t go as it should have.  We’ll just leave it at that.  Here is the video, and what follows is a story from the St. Pete Times about the incident and aftermath.

Flyers’ ‘Bullies’ not restricted to Broad Street

By TIM BUCKLEY

© St. Petersburg Times, published April 11, 1998

TAMPA — At 6-foot-5 and 230 pounds, Andrei Nazarov has never backed down from anybody.

But when “anybody” includes 6-4, 236-pound Eric Lindros and five close Philadelphia Flyer friends in an Ice Palace parking lot, even Nazarov knows to turn the other cheek.

Which is precisely what the Lightning wing did Wednesday when he was confronted and apparently threatened by Lindros following Philadelphia’s fight-filled 6-1 victory.

“I know it’s a big deal, but to me nothing really happened down there,” Nazarov said Friday, one day after Lightning general manager Phil Esposito reported the incident to the NHL. “Like I said to (Lindros), “We can meet next year on the ice.’ I’ll drop my gloves anytime.”

Nazarov did drop his gloves once Wednesday, and that is likely what prompted the postgame parking-lot quarrel — an incident the league’s security department is investigating, an NHL spokesman said Friday.

With the Lightning losing 3-1 late in the third period, a full-fledged brawl broke out.

As Philadelphia enforcers Dan Kordic and Daniel Lacroix tried to prevent Lightning enforcer Sandy McCarthy from fighting Joel Otto, Nazarov and Lacroix paired off. Let Lacroix — who fought both Nazarov and Lightning wing Darcy Tucker, and wound up needing 40 stitches to close a crescent-shaped cut over his left eye socket — pick up the narrative:

“I got a hold of McCarthy because I didn’t want him to fight (Otto) … but I didn’t think anything was going to happen,” Lacroix told the Philadelphia Daily News. “Then (Nazarov) came in and pulled my shirt. So I face-washed him a little bit (pawing Nazarov with his glove) and got my (other) hand on him.

“Then (expletive) Tucker comes in and starts yapping, “(Expletive) give it to him! (Expletive) sucker him!’ I turned my head (to Tucker), and as he said that, Nazarov suckered me. I was hissed at Nazarov for suckering me, and hissed at that little bleep (Tucker) for having no one around him, kind of giving the order from outside.”

Nazarov landed a punch flush on Lacroix, who fell and turtled. As Nazarov challenged him to get up and fight again, Lacroix did get up — to chase the smaller Tucker. Nazarov tackled Lacroix, who pulled away. That’s when Tucker jumped back in and grabbed Lacroix, pounding him with several punches to an already badly bloodied face.

“I’m not going to let somebody beat me up just because I’m hanging on to them,” said Tucker, who maintains it was Lacroix who suckered Nazarov.

Nazarov called the fight inevitable: “I know these guys, Kordic and Lacroix. I think they know me. We were down (3-1). What do they expect?” They got what they should have expected, Nazarov said.

“(Lacroix) took his glove and rubbed it in my face a good 10 seconds,” said Nazarov, 23, who came to Tampa Bay in last month’s deadline-day trade with San Jose for defenseman Bryan Marchment. “He knew what he was doing.

“I looked at his eyes and said, “Let’s go.’ I thought he was going to drop his gloves. If I’m going to rub my gloves in somebody’s face, I’m going to be ready to go.”

When the 6-1, 205-pound Lacroix started chasing the 5-11, 182-pound Tucker, Nazarov intervened.

“Darcy, you know, he’s tough, but not big. I see that, of course I’m going to jump in there. I don’t want him to fight Darcy,” Nazarov said. “Really, I did this in San Jose all the time. If I am on the ice and I can help my teammates, I will. No matter what, I’m this kind of guy. I’m always going to be there.”

But no one was there for Nazarov after the game when he walked to his car with his girlfriend. That’s when he was approached by Lindros, who is injured and did not play in the game, and several other Flyers.

“The league wants to talk to (Lindros) about it. They said it was no big deal,” Philadelphia GM Bobby Clarke said. “If he did it, I think it’s great.”

“Nothing happened,” Lindros told the Daily News. “(But) what (Nazarov) did was gutless.”

Nazarov would not discuss specifics of what Lindros said or did but suggested it was not to wish him a fond farewell.

“It was just bullslinging and chattering, but there was six of them and I thought they might try to jump me. They could have,” Nazarov said.

Flyers defenseman Kjell Samuelsson intervened and broke up what Esposito called “a dangerous situation,” according to the Daily News. Nazarov was not hurt but said the incident left his girlfriend, Esther, in tears.

“My girlfiend’s kind of still shaken up, but I think she’s going to be fine. She’s a tough girl,” he said. “I’m from Russia so I’m kind of used this kind of situation. But she’s from California. She’s not.”

Nazarov hopes to put the incident behind, but he won’t forget it.

“It’s really not any of my business what the league does about it. If they do something, they do something. I didn’t ask for anything,” he said. “What’s happened, it’s happened.

“I’m not going to really pay attention to what happens from now on. It’s done. But next year — next year, I can drop my gloves with anyone. If (Lindros) wants to do this, I can do it.”